Dipped in and out of this one with Jobst. I think we are at the Roman moment now. Also the Beatles poster in the back was a bit worrying ( if you've read Mark Devlin et al).
This was a fascinating conversation Ben. Very interesting indeed. The managerial class aspect to it was particularly interesting. As I understand it, its this section of society that bridge a very important gap. And for any meaningful coherent change to take place in society its this group who need to wake up fast to what's actually going on and speak up like this gentleman has. What an education in just 120 minutes! I think I'll listen to this again. On a side note, according to Ancestory.com (if its to be believed), I'm loosely related to Fredrick the wise through Philipp I 'der von HESSEN who is my 12th Great Grand farther! And also a hole host of noble protestant reformers, not to mention as well as a few characters who played both sides apparently. Fascinating rabbit hole if its even remotely true ;)
David, glad you found it useful. Jobst has serious depth! Yes I agree the managerial class are a crucial constituency. Many are too blind to what's happening because they are so insulated from the negative effects of the agenda and / or financially beholden to its implementation through salary, investments etc. I'd never heard of Frederik the Wise, so good to meet one of his descendants ;)
Can waking them make any difference? Won’t those who object simply be replaced by aspiring others too hungry, as in ambitious, to see too much that is uncomfortable?
Saddening to hear a man of Mr Landgrebe’s learning and intellect repeatedly confusing England and Britain. The habit is common and is a problem that must be addressed if future generations of English people are not to be loaded unfairly with the culpability of past generations of Britons for perceived misdeeds the English had no responsibility for.
Yes indeed. Unfortunately too many people seem incapable of separating a people from the actions of those who rule them. That was a very enjoyable discussion by the way, many thanks for the pleasure.
Very interesting thought provoking dialogue. Kind of bottling and synthesising an enormous swathe of economic historical cultural political analysis into a sensible discussion on where we are going, quo vadis. The importance of thinking clearly and with measure as always with Ben. The river of constant change with a view to clear water ahead.Ben has a heart and a mind.Thanks, we mentioned Pink Floyd Animals on that twitter some weeks ago. I hope Roger W finds some peace.Paul
Your certainly on the right track Ben ... I guess Jobst is a proddie .. As his mother comes from Geneva .. I would say it's very likely. For me his historical views are pretty much mainstream. He reckons that the banking system comes through Venice and Genova (Genoa) but does not mention Florence .. In 1252 the Genovesi first minted the Golden genovino at exactly the same time the Florence minted the Fiorino (florin) ..
The Dutch Gilder was known as the fiorino .. not the ducat or genovino ..
Wikipedia has it like this ..
In 1252 Florence and Genoa introduced the gold florin and genovino, respectively, both of 3.5 grams of 98.6% fine gold; the florin preceded the ducat as Western Europe's first standard gold coin. Venice modeled the size and weight of their ducat on the florin, with a slight increase in weight due to differences in the two cities′ weight systems. The Venetian ducat contained 3.545 grams of 99.47% fine gold, the highest purity medieval metallurgy could produce.
But no one not even David Icke ever mentions Florence ..
I have numerous examples of old two bob bits .. which are called florins ..
The info on the ukraine/israel zio connection added another important piece to the puzzle and made sense of things that have been going on…how easily we are manipulated and misled when we don’t have the full story. Thank you Ben for setting up these talks. I’m finding them very thought provoking and informative.
another scorcher interview Ben.
thank you for introducing this man Jobst, and his ideas. another angle on the whole situation and more to reflect on……..
thanks Flowie :)
Dipped in and out of this one with Jobst. I think we are at the Roman moment now. Also the Beatles poster in the back was a bit worrying ( if you've read Mark Devlin et al).
thanks Philip, we are certainly teetering on the brink of something that's for sure. I hadn't noticed the Beatles poster tbh
This was a fascinating conversation Ben. Very interesting indeed. The managerial class aspect to it was particularly interesting. As I understand it, its this section of society that bridge a very important gap. And for any meaningful coherent change to take place in society its this group who need to wake up fast to what's actually going on and speak up like this gentleman has. What an education in just 120 minutes! I think I'll listen to this again. On a side note, according to Ancestory.com (if its to be believed), I'm loosely related to Fredrick the wise through Philipp I 'der von HESSEN who is my 12th Great Grand farther! And also a hole host of noble protestant reformers, not to mention as well as a few characters who played both sides apparently. Fascinating rabbit hole if its even remotely true ;)
David, glad you found it useful. Jobst has serious depth! Yes I agree the managerial class are a crucial constituency. Many are too blind to what's happening because they are so insulated from the negative effects of the agenda and / or financially beholden to its implementation through salary, investments etc. I'd never heard of Frederik the Wise, so good to meet one of his descendants ;)
Can waking them make any difference? Won’t those who object simply be replaced by aspiring others too hungry, as in ambitious, to see too much that is uncomfortable?
They're already starting to wake up. More would have done already it's just socially and / or financially inconvenient for them to do so.
What a superb discussion, cheers guys :)
glad you enjoyed it
Saddening to hear a man of Mr Landgrebe’s learning and intellect repeatedly confusing England and Britain. The habit is common and is a problem that must be addressed if future generations of English people are not to be loaded unfairly with the culpability of past generations of Britons for perceived misdeeds the English had no responsibility for.
It’s really just the British establishment that people should be focusing on in that regard… i.e. the people running the global slave system.
Yes indeed. Unfortunately too many people seem incapable of separating a people from the actions of those who rule them. That was a very enjoyable discussion by the way, many thanks for the pleasure.
I got there in the end, but an excellent discussion Ben and Jobst.
Very interesting thought provoking dialogue. Kind of bottling and synthesising an enormous swathe of economic historical cultural political analysis into a sensible discussion on where we are going, quo vadis. The importance of thinking clearly and with measure as always with Ben. The river of constant change with a view to clear water ahead.Ben has a heart and a mind.Thanks, we mentioned Pink Floyd Animals on that twitter some weeks ago. I hope Roger W finds some peace.Paul
Your certainly on the right track Ben ... I guess Jobst is a proddie .. As his mother comes from Geneva .. I would say it's very likely. For me his historical views are pretty much mainstream. He reckons that the banking system comes through Venice and Genova (Genoa) but does not mention Florence .. In 1252 the Genovesi first minted the Golden genovino at exactly the same time the Florence minted the Fiorino (florin) ..
The Dutch Gilder was known as the fiorino .. not the ducat or genovino ..
Wikipedia has it like this ..
In 1252 Florence and Genoa introduced the gold florin and genovino, respectively, both of 3.5 grams of 98.6% fine gold; the florin preceded the ducat as Western Europe's first standard gold coin. Venice modeled the size and weight of their ducat on the florin, with a slight increase in weight due to differences in the two cities′ weight systems. The Venetian ducat contained 3.545 grams of 99.47% fine gold, the highest purity medieval metallurgy could produce.
But no one not even David Icke ever mentions Florence ..
I have numerous examples of old two bob bits .. which are called florins ..
which is quite an interesting story in itself ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florin_(British_coin)
The info on the ukraine/israel zio connection added another important piece to the puzzle and made sense of things that have been going on…how easily we are manipulated and misled when we don’t have the full story. Thank you Ben for setting up these talks. I’m finding them very thought provoking and informative.
Very interesting discussion. Thank you 🙏🏻