Yes, indeed. Easy now to dismiss the role of the great monastic movements like Cluny and Citeaux, look on them as exploitative, nests of buggery etc. More than anything these institutions were a resource for advance and experiment in education, agriculture, medicine in an era when such things were scarce. Stuff decays and corrupts...but you still need stuff.
what a charming intelligent young man! (no not you Ben.)
i was as you can guess ecstatic to hear him reference the McGilchrist theory of L hemisphere dominance in the western world over the last 200 years…( dont forget the oxymoron of the enlightenment movement)
…..also more recently the promotion of people who cannot use intuition/ gut feeling or read between the lines….
which explains why we are are in this mess
likewise the suggestion of the need for reconnection with the land and most importantly spirituality to redress the imbalance……
you asked “ is it a bi product”?
we can look to the east for their cultural connection with ‘God’ to help understand that ….
so
get in touch with your community and connect with humans
one tiny good deed with a fellow will transform each person and move in the right
direction…
i think its just exciting that younger people are getting it
Thanks Ben, that was fascinating, one point I would make and this is not intended as a criticism, we can not assume that we understand historical events because everything we have been told is a lie, I am reading two world wars and Hitler by Jim Macgregor and John O Dowd, everything I thought I knew is wrong, even the story about the great fire of London starting in a bakers shop on Pudding Lane is a lie.
The psychopaths control the historians, especially the ones from Oxford University.
But an interesting and entertaining chat and I look forward to the next one.
Great discussion. I think if you want to get under the skin of the spiritual decline of Christianity in the West it's interesting to consider what Rudolf Steiner said 100+ years ago. He claimed that at the 8th Ecumenical Council in Constantinople they "abolished the human spirit" by denying the separate existence of a spiritual soul that could seek communion with the spiritual world.
From that point on the understanding of ourselves as sovereign spirits who are masters of our own development and able to develop a direct knowledge of the spiritual world was severed. The affects were severe and Christians became ever more sheep like in their observance to the church hierarchy. The pontiffs (for the word bridge) literally positioning themselves as the conduits to God!
So for the last 1100 years the real essence of spirituality gradually faded. That is until Rudolf Steiner reintroduced the trichotomy (man as body, soul and spirit) to the wider Western culture 100 years ago.
Try getting any clear conceptual understanding from the orthodox churches as to soul and spirit! Along with that, key concepts like reincarnation and karma, which the older religions all understood, have disappeared all together except within the esoteric streams of Christianity.
There is of course much more to all of this and there is no one I've come across in the last 20 years of looking into these things that is more in depth with insight than Rudolf Steiner. And that includes the ways out of this which he went to great lengths to explain. But what he was always doing was enlightening us to the spiritual background (impulses) that are working in the background through the whole history of humankind and when you awaken to those the events that continue to unfold before us make a lot more sense. At least that is my experience!
I read from a survivor of ritual childhood sexual abuse and devil worship that her own family and apparently hundreds of other Jewish families were on the surface perfect members of society and they banned smartphones from their children because one child was trying to livestream the sacrifice of a baby !!!!!!
Excellent chat. Thanks. I've looked up the AI brain research by MIT and found the article by the BBC about false summaries. I will now delve into both in more detail
Catherine Austin Fitz and Alan Watt have both said trying to wake people up is really a waste of time, Watt gave a statistic of 1 in 10,000 wake up, so he said don't bother with your loved ones. I respect both of them, but I really do feel we need to keep trying. Just a small percentage of people can make a big difference - after all less than 1% are actually making this all happen. I think the key problem is people don't think they can make a difference and they are just trying to survive within whatever the current rules are....
We must keep trying indeed. And we must also remember that when we converse with people and introduce new ideas they may not ‘wake up’ before our eyes or even in a week, a month, a year but we are planting seeds. Something might trigger that thought to blossom at some unexpected moment.
😁 I’ve been working on my dad for 20+ years. There’s been the odd sign of progress but he struggles with accepting the existence of genuinely malign anti-human forces.
In my humble opinion people are waking up, not enough of them and too slowly but it us happening, there are more awake people now than at any time in history, and yes we must keep trying.
Nobody wants it. But setting up communes and bartering is not going to change anything. Voting isn’t doing either. Once the control grid kicks in whats left?
I'm not really sure how any serious intellectual can come to those conclusions. the earth is demonstrably stationary and gravity is a delusion. You're probably a big fan of sci-fi I suppose?
Yes, indeed. Easy now to dismiss the role of the great monastic movements like Cluny and Citeaux, look on them as exploitative, nests of buggery etc. More than anything these institutions were a resource for advance and experiment in education, agriculture, medicine in an era when such things were scarce. Stuff decays and corrupts...but you still need stuff.
Great talk from two genuinely open minds.
thanks for listening
Great interview
Lovely chat thanks both - look forward to the next one
glad you enjoyed it
this was a terrific interview Ben with “Monsaraz”
bloody brilliant thank you!!!
what a charming intelligent young man! (no not you Ben.)
i was as you can guess ecstatic to hear him reference the McGilchrist theory of L hemisphere dominance in the western world over the last 200 years…( dont forget the oxymoron of the enlightenment movement)
…..also more recently the promotion of people who cannot use intuition/ gut feeling or read between the lines….
which explains why we are are in this mess
likewise the suggestion of the need for reconnection with the land and most importantly spirituality to redress the imbalance……
you asked “ is it a bi product”?
we can look to the east for their cultural connection with ‘God’ to help understand that ….
so
get in touch with your community and connect with humans
one tiny good deed with a fellow will transform each person and move in the right
direction…
i think its just exciting that younger people are getting it
a good day!
cheers!
Thanks Ben, that was fascinating, one point I would make and this is not intended as a criticism, we can not assume that we understand historical events because everything we have been told is a lie, I am reading two world wars and Hitler by Jim Macgregor and John O Dowd, everything I thought I knew is wrong, even the story about the great fire of London starting in a bakers shop on Pudding Lane is a lie.
The psychopaths control the historians, especially the ones from Oxford University.
But an interesting and entertaining chat and I look forward to the next one.
Great discussion. I think if you want to get under the skin of the spiritual decline of Christianity in the West it's interesting to consider what Rudolf Steiner said 100+ years ago. He claimed that at the 8th Ecumenical Council in Constantinople they "abolished the human spirit" by denying the separate existence of a spiritual soul that could seek communion with the spiritual world.
From that point on the understanding of ourselves as sovereign spirits who are masters of our own development and able to develop a direct knowledge of the spiritual world was severed. The affects were severe and Christians became ever more sheep like in their observance to the church hierarchy. The pontiffs (for the word bridge) literally positioning themselves as the conduits to God!
So for the last 1100 years the real essence of spirituality gradually faded. That is until Rudolf Steiner reintroduced the trichotomy (man as body, soul and spirit) to the wider Western culture 100 years ago.
Try getting any clear conceptual understanding from the orthodox churches as to soul and spirit! Along with that, key concepts like reincarnation and karma, which the older religions all understood, have disappeared all together except within the esoteric streams of Christianity.
There is of course much more to all of this and there is no one I've come across in the last 20 years of looking into these things that is more in depth with insight than Rudolf Steiner. And that includes the ways out of this which he went to great lengths to explain. But what he was always doing was enlightening us to the spiritual background (impulses) that are working in the background through the whole history of humankind and when you awaken to those the events that continue to unfold before us make a lot more sense. At least that is my experience!
is that the Somerset Levels?
I was asking about the picture shown during the podcast, did not read your post about water.
This talk may be of interest to some, especially those who know the difference between State Socialism and Socialism, Sovietism versus Communism,
https://realleft.substack.com/p/the-zio-imperialist-global-mafia?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=2320527&post_id=167351245&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=1omtwx&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
I read from a survivor of ritual childhood sexual abuse and devil worship that her own family and apparently hundreds of other Jewish families were on the surface perfect members of society and they banned smartphones from their children because one child was trying to livestream the sacrifice of a baby !!!!!!
''How the Industrial Revolution took away our humanity and made us all cogs in the money machine.''
How true, My version is that people lose their humanity when they sell their soul, specially politici.
Excellent chat. Thanks. I've looked up the AI brain research by MIT and found the article by the BBC about false summaries. I will now delve into both in more detail
Catherine Austin Fitz and Alan Watt have both said trying to wake people up is really a waste of time, Watt gave a statistic of 1 in 10,000 wake up, so he said don't bother with your loved ones. I respect both of them, but I really do feel we need to keep trying. Just a small percentage of people can make a big difference - after all less than 1% are actually making this all happen. I think the key problem is people don't think they can make a difference and they are just trying to survive within whatever the current rules are....
We must keep trying indeed. And we must also remember that when we converse with people and introduce new ideas they may not ‘wake up’ before our eyes or even in a week, a month, a year but we are planting seeds. Something might trigger that thought to blossom at some unexpected moment.
completely agree, it took my mum about 3 years to wake me up. I admire her patience
😁 I’ve been working on my dad for 20+ years. There’s been the odd sign of progress but he struggles with accepting the existence of genuinely malign anti-human forces.
In my humble opinion people are waking up, not enough of them and too slowly but it us happening, there are more awake people now than at any time in history, and yes we must keep trying.
Not going to happen without “bloody” revolution.
Nobody wants it. But setting up communes and bartering is not going to change anything. Voting isn’t doing either. Once the control grid kicks in whats left?
Ill comment as i see fit. Be ready for the fight when it arrives won’t you.
oh oh!!!
you’ve never been sailing then mr done!
Have you seen the 'gravity delusion' videos on youtube? Very interesting.
I'm not really sure how any serious intellectual can come to those conclusions. the earth is demonstrably stationary and gravity is a delusion. You're probably a big fan of sci-fi I suppose?
thanks I will take a look