Thanks so much for the chat - I feel very lucky to have been able to listen in! Very interesting and everything you spoke about made sense to me. I plan to start doing street interviews where I live to speak to people and hopefully build awareness here.
Elsewhere, you both may be interested in reading Jiddu Krishnamurti if you haven't come across him before - he was a total legend, and I'm sure you'd find his books valuable.
Yes, indeed. Easy now to dismiss the role of the great monastic movements like Cluny and Citeaux, look on them as exploitative, nests of buggery etc. More than anything these institutions were a resource for advance and experiment in education, agriculture, medicine in an era when such things were scarce. Stuff decays and corrupts...but you still need stuff.
One remark made by Monsaraz that we can't know for absolute sure that any conspiracy theories are true was, I thought, actually a very astute comment. They're all based on connecting the dots, logic and reason (which is what makes it so easy for our brothers and sisters who seek the comfortable life bringing in our doom to ignore us!)...
HOWEVER, please allow me to tell you there IS one MASSIVE conspiracy that is demonstrably, repeatably, physically, practicably provable by any man, woman or child on this earth of ours to be an almighty and downright ludicrous lie perpetrated against the whole of humankind by the scientific class and our education system by extension; that is, the earth CANNOT POSSIBLY BE a globe or any suchlike shape!
The globe earth INSANITY is absolutely and unconditionally dis-proven by our simple observation of the reality of GRAVITY through ACTUAL science (not the pseudo-science they want you to believe). Before you get excited and just dismiss me (this topic seems to be a bridge too far for many of the so-called awakened in the freedom movement), please at least research what I'm speaking about - it was first discovered by 'Beyond the imaginary curve' on YouTube and since taken up by 'Execrate200' and 'Levelheaded William & Natalie'.
At least 95% of the flat earthers on YouTube are controlled opposition who most crucially posit a STATIONARY (flat) earth. The earth isn't stationary, it's demonstrably in motion, and it's not flat, it's LEVEL. The mainstream science view is totally f*****d by something as simple as moving a water bottle in different directions and observing the displacement of water (and other materials make it even clearer).
Water doesn't bend. We see too far. A pressure gradient (our atmosphere) is impossible if it wasn't in a container. The density gradient directly opposes their definition of gravity.
This is our chance to PROVE to people DIRECTLY that they're being lied to about everything from the very top. I'm 100% on board with everything you're doing with PATTERN but I really do think this discovery about the true direction of gravity (and its implications) demands to be taken seriously. It is an immensely powerful weapon against the establishment to wake people up 'cos as far as I can see the vast majority of people are fully programmed zombies under very effective mind-control, and that's gonna be hard to counter if we don't have all weapons at our disposal.
Some people within your movement here might argue "yeah, but we don't want to seem crazy by touching that topic". If you think that then fair enough that's your prerogative, but I feel it's at least my obligation to raise your awareness of it because somehow people don't seem able to wrap their tiny little heads around something so simple and so crucial. I only discovered it relatively lately and have been living away from society, so am quite disturbed to see how this topic has been so successfully sidelined.
I just searched the term on YouTube - is it just gravity denial, as in the default position of flat earthers; namely, the earth is stationary and everything is buoyancy/density effects...? That's complete garbage - the earth is demonstrably in motion (you can see this for yourself if you'd only look into it foir yourself rather than just believing different talking heads and postulations) - it's just the opposite of what we're told in school; that is, the earth is coming up, we're not being sucked down.
Just an observation, not a criticism: (From about 22:30) 'Monsaraz' says, re. smart phones, 'a good example of this is digital government ... governments ... will increasingly expect you to have a smart phone in order to perform certain functions'. Although I'm sure that by 'expect' he means require, I'd say not that governments expect us to have them, as in everyone does and it is unusual not to have one but that governments are making it impossible to fulfil the legal obligations they impose upon us without one. My wife and I deliberately bought Nokia 105s because they are far from 'smart' - they do not have cameras for example - and have repeatedly to explain to people that we 'don't have that sort of phone'. The response is almost invariably one of surprise, sometimes disdain. I jokingly call them steam age phones and they suffice for our needs but just as we are now dependent on computers with internet access in many areas so we are aware that life is going to become more inconvenient if we persist in avoiding smart phones.
Wall E is one of the best films I've seen on the 24 hour virtual reality, junk food diet nightmare.
Great discussion. I think if you want to get under the skin of the spiritual decline of Christianity in the West it's interesting to consider what Rudolf Steiner said 100+ years ago. He claimed that at the 8th Ecumenical Council in Constantinople they "abolished the human spirit" by denying the separate existence of a spiritual soul that could seek communion with the spiritual world.
From that point on the understanding of ourselves as sovereign spirits who are masters of our own development and able to develop a direct knowledge of the spiritual world was severed. The affects were severe and Christians became ever more sheep like in their observance to the church hierarchy. The pontiffs (for the word bridge) literally positioning themselves as the conduits to God!
So for the last 1100 years the real essence of spirituality gradually faded. That is until Rudolf Steiner reintroduced the trichotomy (man as body, soul and spirit) to the wider Western culture 100 years ago.
Try getting any clear conceptual understanding from the orthodox churches as to soul and spirit! Along with that, key concepts like reincarnation and karma, which the older religions all understood, have disappeared all together except within the esoteric streams of Christianity.
There is of course much more to all of this and there is no one I've come across in the last 20 years of looking into these things that is more in depth with insight than Rudolf Steiner. And that includes the ways out of this which he went to great lengths to explain. But what he was always doing was enlightening us to the spiritual background (impulses) that are working in the background through the whole history of humankind and when you awaken to those the events that continue to unfold before us make a lot more sense. At least that is my experience!
what a charming intelligent young man! (no not you Ben.)
i was as you can guess ecstatic to hear him reference the McGilchrist theory of L hemisphere dominance in the western world over the last 200 years…( dont forget the oxymoron of the enlightenment movement)
…..also more recently the promotion of people who cannot use intuition/ gut feeling or read between the lines….
which explains why we are are in this mess
likewise the suggestion of the need for reconnection with the land and most importantly spirituality to redress the imbalance……
you asked “ is it a bi product”?
we can look to the east for their cultural connection with ‘God’ to help understand that ….
so
get in touch with your community and connect with humans
one tiny good deed with a fellow will transform each person and move in the right
direction…
i think its just exciting that younger people are getting it
No, not the Somerset Levels. It seems you didn't read my post properly. GRAVITY that we're all taught is literally turned on its head simply by observing a dropped bottle of water with a rudimentary understanding of physics... I'm not messing around, please look into it if you're at all serious (I provided the references in my comment).
Substack is a mess, I do not like it and cannot get on with it. It does not help that although I am not 'technophobic' I often find technology more of a nuisance than otherwise so am not one to enjoy spending hours learning how to operate complicated things simply to pride myself on how clever I am. I like what I suppose could be called 'first generation' power tools, which have an on / off switch and perhaps a speed dial, and do the job they are designed for, and can be 'learned' in 0.1 seconds, or less. At art college, in the seventies, I was shown the more advanced techniques of simple hand tools, like pencils and pens and brushes and cannot regard anything generated on a computer as art. I have made numerous aborted attempts to acquire the knowledge necessary to use a graphics programme but cannot see the point in trying to remember the fifteen million or more steps necessary to produce the image I can produce with any object capable of making a mark on an available surface.
Unfortunately, those writers I wish to read seem to prefer it, Substack that is.
I agree simplicity is best and Substack's interface is definitely not intuitive, and it's quite unpleasant in terms of ease of use. However, unlike any other social media platform I use, the people here actually seem to be able to think critically and communicate, and the algorithm doesn't seem to be pushing spam, division and hatred, which is kinda novel and nice in this day and age! So, I'll take it!
I read from a survivor of ritual childhood sexual abuse and devil worship that her own family and apparently hundreds of other Jewish families were on the surface perfect members of society and they banned smartphones from their children because one child was trying to livestream the sacrifice of a baby !!!!!!
Thanks Ben, that was fascinating, one point I would make and this is not intended as a criticism, we can not assume that we understand historical events because everything we have been told is a lie, I am reading two world wars and Hitler by Jim Macgregor and John O Dowd, everything I thought I knew is wrong, even the story about the great fire of London starting in a bakers shop on Pudding Lane is a lie.
The psychopaths control the historians, especially the ones from Oxford University.
But an interesting and entertaining chat and I look forward to the next one.
Excellent chat. Thanks. I've looked up the AI brain research by MIT and found the article by the BBC about false summaries. I will now delve into both in more detail
Catherine Austin Fitz and Alan Watt have both said trying to wake people up is really a waste of time, Watt gave a statistic of 1 in 10,000 wake up, so he said don't bother with your loved ones. I respect both of them, but I really do feel we need to keep trying. Just a small percentage of people can make a big difference - after all less than 1% are actually making this all happen. I think the key problem is people don't think they can make a difference and they are just trying to survive within whatever the current rules are....
We must keep trying indeed. And we must also remember that when we converse with people and introduce new ideas they may not ‘wake up’ before our eyes or even in a week, a month, a year but we are planting seeds. Something might trigger that thought to blossom at some unexpected moment.
😁 I’ve been working on my dad for 20+ years. There’s been the odd sign of progress but he struggles with accepting the existence of genuinely malign anti-human forces.
In my humble opinion people are waking up, not enough of them and too slowly but it us happening, there are more awake people now than at any time in history, and yes we must keep trying.
Nobody wants it. But setting up communes and bartering is not going to change anything. Voting isn’t doing either. Once the control grid kicks in whats left?
Nobody here was speaking about communes or bartering or voting... and your comment was on a post about level earth by the way! Why don't you just admit you've given up mate (it seems like you're just causing yourself unnecessary pain)? You needn't drag down others along with you!
I don’t know what to say to this except you’ve clearly made up your mind. Well done on being right and knowing something that is physically impossible. Congratulations for looking into it so earnestly.
Thanks so much for the chat - I feel very lucky to have been able to listen in! Very interesting and everything you spoke about made sense to me. I plan to start doing street interviews where I live to speak to people and hopefully build awareness here.
Elsewhere, you both may be interested in reading Jiddu Krishnamurti if you haven't come across him before - he was a total legend, and I'm sure you'd find his books valuable.
thanks I will take a look
Yes, indeed. Easy now to dismiss the role of the great monastic movements like Cluny and Citeaux, look on them as exploitative, nests of buggery etc. More than anything these institutions were a resource for advance and experiment in education, agriculture, medicine in an era when such things were scarce. Stuff decays and corrupts...but you still need stuff.
Great talk from two genuinely open minds.
thanks for listening
Great interview
Lovely chat thanks both - look forward to the next one
glad you enjoyed it
One remark made by Monsaraz that we can't know for absolute sure that any conspiracy theories are true was, I thought, actually a very astute comment. They're all based on connecting the dots, logic and reason (which is what makes it so easy for our brothers and sisters who seek the comfortable life bringing in our doom to ignore us!)...
HOWEVER, please allow me to tell you there IS one MASSIVE conspiracy that is demonstrably, repeatably, physically, practicably provable by any man, woman or child on this earth of ours to be an almighty and downright ludicrous lie perpetrated against the whole of humankind by the scientific class and our education system by extension; that is, the earth CANNOT POSSIBLY BE a globe or any suchlike shape!
The globe earth INSANITY is absolutely and unconditionally dis-proven by our simple observation of the reality of GRAVITY through ACTUAL science (not the pseudo-science they want you to believe). Before you get excited and just dismiss me (this topic seems to be a bridge too far for many of the so-called awakened in the freedom movement), please at least research what I'm speaking about - it was first discovered by 'Beyond the imaginary curve' on YouTube and since taken up by 'Execrate200' and 'Levelheaded William & Natalie'.
At least 95% of the flat earthers on YouTube are controlled opposition who most crucially posit a STATIONARY (flat) earth. The earth isn't stationary, it's demonstrably in motion, and it's not flat, it's LEVEL. The mainstream science view is totally f*****d by something as simple as moving a water bottle in different directions and observing the displacement of water (and other materials make it even clearer).
Water doesn't bend. We see too far. A pressure gradient (our atmosphere) is impossible if it wasn't in a container. The density gradient directly opposes their definition of gravity.
This is our chance to PROVE to people DIRECTLY that they're being lied to about everything from the very top. I'm 100% on board with everything you're doing with PATTERN but I really do think this discovery about the true direction of gravity (and its implications) demands to be taken seriously. It is an immensely powerful weapon against the establishment to wake people up 'cos as far as I can see the vast majority of people are fully programmed zombies under very effective mind-control, and that's gonna be hard to counter if we don't have all weapons at our disposal.
Some people within your movement here might argue "yeah, but we don't want to seem crazy by touching that topic". If you think that then fair enough that's your prerogative, but I feel it's at least my obligation to raise your awareness of it because somehow people don't seem able to wrap their tiny little heads around something so simple and so crucial. I only discovered it relatively lately and have been living away from society, so am quite disturbed to see how this topic has been so successfully sidelined.
Have you seen the 'gravity delusion' videos on youtube? Very interesting.
I just searched the term on YouTube - is it just gravity denial, as in the default position of flat earthers; namely, the earth is stationary and everything is buoyancy/density effects...? That's complete garbage - the earth is demonstrably in motion (you can see this for yourself if you'd only look into it foir yourself rather than just believing different talking heads and postulations) - it's just the opposite of what we're told in school; that is, the earth is coming up, we're not being sucked down.
Just an observation, not a criticism: (From about 22:30) 'Monsaraz' says, re. smart phones, 'a good example of this is digital government ... governments ... will increasingly expect you to have a smart phone in order to perform certain functions'. Although I'm sure that by 'expect' he means require, I'd say not that governments expect us to have them, as in everyone does and it is unusual not to have one but that governments are making it impossible to fulfil the legal obligations they impose upon us without one. My wife and I deliberately bought Nokia 105s because they are far from 'smart' - they do not have cameras for example - and have repeatedly to explain to people that we 'don't have that sort of phone'. The response is almost invariably one of surprise, sometimes disdain. I jokingly call them steam age phones and they suffice for our needs but just as we are now dependent on computers with internet access in many areas so we are aware that life is going to become more inconvenient if we persist in avoiding smart phones.
Wall E is one of the best films I've seen on the 24 hour virtual reality, junk food diet nightmare.
Another excellent presentation, thank you.
Does 'Monsaraz' have a website or channel?
Great discussion. I think if you want to get under the skin of the spiritual decline of Christianity in the West it's interesting to consider what Rudolf Steiner said 100+ years ago. He claimed that at the 8th Ecumenical Council in Constantinople they "abolished the human spirit" by denying the separate existence of a spiritual soul that could seek communion with the spiritual world.
From that point on the understanding of ourselves as sovereign spirits who are masters of our own development and able to develop a direct knowledge of the spiritual world was severed. The affects were severe and Christians became ever more sheep like in their observance to the church hierarchy. The pontiffs (for the word bridge) literally positioning themselves as the conduits to God!
So for the last 1100 years the real essence of spirituality gradually faded. That is until Rudolf Steiner reintroduced the trichotomy (man as body, soul and spirit) to the wider Western culture 100 years ago.
Try getting any clear conceptual understanding from the orthodox churches as to soul and spirit! Along with that, key concepts like reincarnation and karma, which the older religions all understood, have disappeared all together except within the esoteric streams of Christianity.
There is of course much more to all of this and there is no one I've come across in the last 20 years of looking into these things that is more in depth with insight than Rudolf Steiner. And that includes the ways out of this which he went to great lengths to explain. But what he was always doing was enlightening us to the spiritual background (impulses) that are working in the background through the whole history of humankind and when you awaken to those the events that continue to unfold before us make a lot more sense. At least that is my experience!
this was a terrific interview Ben with “Monsaraz”
bloody brilliant thank you!!!
what a charming intelligent young man! (no not you Ben.)
i was as you can guess ecstatic to hear him reference the McGilchrist theory of L hemisphere dominance in the western world over the last 200 years…( dont forget the oxymoron of the enlightenment movement)
…..also more recently the promotion of people who cannot use intuition/ gut feeling or read between the lines….
which explains why we are are in this mess
likewise the suggestion of the need for reconnection with the land and most importantly spirituality to redress the imbalance……
you asked “ is it a bi product”?
we can look to the east for their cultural connection with ‘God’ to help understand that ….
so
get in touch with your community and connect with humans
one tiny good deed with a fellow will transform each person and move in the right
direction…
i think its just exciting that younger people are getting it
a good day!
cheers!
is that the Somerset Levels?
No, not the Somerset Levels. It seems you didn't read my post properly. GRAVITY that we're all taught is literally turned on its head simply by observing a dropped bottle of water with a rudimentary understanding of physics... I'm not messing around, please look into it if you're at all serious (I provided the references in my comment).
I was asking about the picture shown during the podcast, did not read your post about water.
Right-o. Substack needs to improve its layout I think because you replied to my comment.
Actually, no I don't think you did. My mistake! Apologies!
Substack is a mess, I do not like it and cannot get on with it. It does not help that although I am not 'technophobic' I often find technology more of a nuisance than otherwise so am not one to enjoy spending hours learning how to operate complicated things simply to pride myself on how clever I am. I like what I suppose could be called 'first generation' power tools, which have an on / off switch and perhaps a speed dial, and do the job they are designed for, and can be 'learned' in 0.1 seconds, or less. At art college, in the seventies, I was shown the more advanced techniques of simple hand tools, like pencils and pens and brushes and cannot regard anything generated on a computer as art. I have made numerous aborted attempts to acquire the knowledge necessary to use a graphics programme but cannot see the point in trying to remember the fifteen million or more steps necessary to produce the image I can produce with any object capable of making a mark on an available surface.
Unfortunately, those writers I wish to read seem to prefer it, Substack that is.
I agree simplicity is best and Substack's interface is definitely not intuitive, and it's quite unpleasant in terms of ease of use. However, unlike any other social media platform I use, the people here actually seem to be able to think critically and communicate, and the algorithm doesn't seem to be pushing spam, division and hatred, which is kinda novel and nice in this day and age! So, I'll take it!
I read from a survivor of ritual childhood sexual abuse and devil worship that her own family and apparently hundreds of other Jewish families were on the surface perfect members of society and they banned smartphones from their children because one child was trying to livestream the sacrifice of a baby !!!!!!
Thanks Ben, that was fascinating, one point I would make and this is not intended as a criticism, we can not assume that we understand historical events because everything we have been told is a lie, I am reading two world wars and Hitler by Jim Macgregor and John O Dowd, everything I thought I knew is wrong, even the story about the great fire of London starting in a bakers shop on Pudding Lane is a lie.
The psychopaths control the historians, especially the ones from Oxford University.
But an interesting and entertaining chat and I look forward to the next one.
''How the Industrial Revolution took away our humanity and made us all cogs in the money machine.''
How true, My version is that people lose their humanity when they sell their soul, specially politici.
Excellent chat. Thanks. I've looked up the AI brain research by MIT and found the article by the BBC about false summaries. I will now delve into both in more detail
Catherine Austin Fitz and Alan Watt have both said trying to wake people up is really a waste of time, Watt gave a statistic of 1 in 10,000 wake up, so he said don't bother with your loved ones. I respect both of them, but I really do feel we need to keep trying. Just a small percentage of people can make a big difference - after all less than 1% are actually making this all happen. I think the key problem is people don't think they can make a difference and they are just trying to survive within whatever the current rules are....
We must keep trying indeed. And we must also remember that when we converse with people and introduce new ideas they may not ‘wake up’ before our eyes or even in a week, a month, a year but we are planting seeds. Something might trigger that thought to blossom at some unexpected moment.
completely agree, it took my mum about 3 years to wake me up. I admire her patience
😁 I’ve been working on my dad for 20+ years. There’s been the odd sign of progress but he struggles with accepting the existence of genuinely malign anti-human forces.
In my humble opinion people are waking up, not enough of them and too slowly but it us happening, there are more awake people now than at any time in history, and yes we must keep trying.
Not going to happen without “bloody” revolution.
what's not going to happen? none of us want a bloody revolution. a bloody revolution is not an answer to anything.
Nobody wants it. But setting up communes and bartering is not going to change anything. Voting isn’t doing either. Once the control grid kicks in whats left?
Nobody here was speaking about communes or bartering or voting... and your comment was on a post about level earth by the way! Why don't you just admit you've given up mate (it seems like you're just causing yourself unnecessary pain)? You needn't drag down others along with you!
Ill comment as i see fit. Be ready for the fight when it arrives won’t you.
born ready mate
oh oh!!!
you’ve never been sailing then mr done!
I don’t know what to say to this except you’ve clearly made up your mind. Well done on being right and knowing something that is physically impossible. Congratulations for looking into it so earnestly.